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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/01/2012, 17:22:31


When I have read on the bulletin board about the FL41 rose tinted sunglasses I thought (and maybe mistakenly) that sunglasses could be sent to have this tint applied to regular sunglasses. I thought I read the cost was approx. 25 - 35 dollars.

I live in Canada ... I contacted (by e-mail) the Moran Eye Inst. and was told the following.

I could purchase a pair of sunglasses - send them to Moran - they would remove the lenses and have to make new lenses (not just coat them with the FL41 tint) but the lenses would have to be made by them. (By the way....I would not need any prescription in the lenses....just plain old sunglasses).

This would cost in total approximately $115.00 plus taxes... which would include mailing them back to Canada.

This seemed rather high to me ....so I thought I would just ask if anyone else has had this tint put on their existing sunglasses (I seem to remember reading that people have) or am I just wrong about the whole thing.

I do realize that their is a cost to send things from the U.S.A. to Canada.

What I was shocked about....was the price. And....maybe I am wrong about that too....but I still wanted to check it out on this board.

Thanks...Donna R.




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Posted by: Carol near Toronto, Canada ®
08/01/2012, 19:08:47


Hi Donna,

I had FL41 sunglasses (no prescription) made a few years ago in Canada, at a place called Mississauga Optical in Mississauga, Ontario.

They removed the lenses and replaced them with FL41 lenses. I don't think you would get the right tint if they applied FL41 on top of already-tinted sunglasses.

I don't remember how much I paid, but I am thinking it may have been in the $60-$70 range, and I supplied the frames. I did not have to pay shipping, as I am local.

As it turned out, I did not like them as well for outdoors as regular grey-tint sunglasses. I do really like FL41 for reading glasses, though. I paid $50 to have the tint added to them.

If you are interested, you can call Tony, the owner, on Tuesday or Thursday at 905-275-2400. Perhaps shipping would be less expensive from Ontario. Where do you live in Canada?

Carol




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/01/2012, 21:10:31


Hi Carol,

Thanks for your reply. I live in the Toronto area...which, as you know, is not far from Mississauga. I have tried a few places in Toronto and they did not know what I was talking about. BUT, if you were able to get them in Mississauga I should maybe start calling a few more places to see if they know what I am talking about....and if not....I can go to the Mississauga Optical.

Thanks again
Donna R.




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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/01/2012, 21:58:19


I JUST HAD NEW LENSES PUT IN A VERY EXPENSIVE FRAME. THE LENSES WERE TRANSITIONS THAT HAD FADED AND I WAS TOLD THAT FL 41 CANNOT BE PLACED ON TOP IN ANY CASE.

SO I HAD TO HAVE THEM REMOVED AND NEW ONES PUT IN. THEY WERE PRESCRIPTION LENSES AND I INTEND TO USE THEM FOR DRIVING AND OTHER INDOOR ACTIVIES SUCH AS TV WATCHING. I SENT THEM OFF TO MORAN TWO WEEKS AGO. I JUST CALLED THEM AND THEY SAID 'YES THEY RECEIVED THEM BUT ARE BACKLOGGED WITH ORDERS SO BE PATIENT.'

I DO NOT EXPECT MORE THAN A COST OF $30 - AT LEAST I HOPE NOT. THE NEW LENSES COST ME $80 ALTHOUGH I HAVE A SUPPLEMENTARY INSURANCE PLAN THAT WILL COVER ABOUT $50 OF THAT COST.

MY FIRST PAIR OF FL 41'S WAS TINTED AT 35% AND I FIND THEM A BIT TOO LIGHT SO I WENT FOR 50% THIS TIME.

REGULAR SUNGLASSES HELP OUTSIDE, REGARDLESS OF THE FL 41 TINT OR NOT. I HAVE SO MANY PAIR OF GLASSES NOW THAT I SHOULD OPEN A STORE. LOL




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Posted by: Carol near Toronto, Canada ®
08/02/2012, 17:54:49


Hi Donna,

When I spoke to Mississauga Optical about FL41 tint, they did not know what I was talking about, but agreed to look into it, and found that they could purchase a bottle of FL41 tint from their regular supplier.

Perhaps you could find an optician close to home who would be willing to order it in for you.

In my case, I have been with this same optician for 20 years, so he was willing to go the extra mile for me.

Carol




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/02/2012, 20:01:40


Hi Carol,

Thanks for your message. I am going to try some more Optical places in my area. When I was at my Opthamologist's office last week I asked the Optician that works in the same office if she knew anything about the lenses......she had never heard of them .. and she never offered to find out anything for me. So, I will just keep asking and maybe one of the places will order it in for me too. I am going to give it a good try. It's good to know that it can be ordered in.

Donna R.




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/01/2012, 22:43:10


Hi Donna,
I wonder who you spoke with at Moran?
Last time I got old glasses tinted (October 2010), it was $35. (And if it's $5 for shipping and handling within the US, it shouldn't be that much more for Canada—but I don't know for sure).
Unless they changed things and haven't updated their website, it should be the
same, because that's what their website still says. This is from "Moran Utah FL41" (my search-words), from FAQs:

Q:
Can FL-41 filter be added to any glasses?

A:
FL-41 filter is best absorbed by the regular (cr-39)) plastic lense material. Applying the filter to polycarbonate lenses proves to be more difficult but can be done in most cases. If the lenses are glass or have anti-reflective coating, they cannot have the filter applied.

Q:
If my glasses are already tinted, can FL-41 be added?

A:
Adding the FL-41 filter to existing lenses that already have a tint is not recommended because it may compromise the overall performance of the filter.

Q:
How much does it cost to add the FL-41 filter to my existing glasses?

A:
Applying the FL-41 filter to existing lenses typically costs $35.00. Also, $5.00 for shipping and handling within the continental United States.

Carol has come up with good options, maybe you'll want to go with that.
Just in case you still want to investigate Moran, speak with Patrick Shaw (his contact info is on the website that comes up with the search-words I wrote)
Good luck!
Judith K




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Posted by: bjd ®
08/01/2012, 23:07:15


I got my glasses tinted with fl41 at the Moran Eye Center of The University Of Utah Medical Center. If you have lenses that can be tinted it is about 35.00. If they must provide lenses to be tinted it is more like 100.00.

You can send almost anything to them to be tinted for 35.00 if it is a lense that will take the tint.

I dropped them off and picked them up the next day, or they will mail them to you. I have a 75 level tint for outside and would probably go for 80 outside and 50 for indoors.

Thet can tint your prescription glasses or a cheap set from Walmart as lomg as the lenses don't have a coating which rejects the tint. They can tint a 20.00 pair of reading glasses if you want. Brad



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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/02/2012, 15:14:42


Hi Brad,

As you mention in your post "you can send almost anything to them to be tinted for $35.00". That is basically the kind of information that I had in my head when I originally inquired as to what it would cost for postage to mail them back to Canada.

Unfortunately that is not the kind of information I received when I called them.

Thanks for your post.

Donna R.




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/02/2012, 15:09:56


Hi Judith,

The person I was talking to at Moran was "Amy". She told me that I could not buy a pair of sunglasses (any sunglasses) and just send them to her and have the FL41 tint applied to them. They would have to remove whatever lenses were in the glasses and replace them with the FL41 coated lenses. This seemed odd to me because as I mentioned earlier after reading some of the posts I remembered people having their existing glasses coated with FL41 .... if the glasses had no other coatings on them already.

As Carol mentioned she was able to purchase a pair in Mississauga, Ontario......so that is most likely the best way for me to go.

Thanks for your reply.

Donna R.




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Posted by: tatia ®
08/02/2012, 15:37:33


Hi Donna,

What you were told is consistent with what Judith shared. I believe people who posted have sent existing glasses - regular prescription eyeglasses, NOT sunglasses - to be coated with FL41. That is what I did.

Tatia
who BTW prefers gray tint over FL41's and

who also wonders if it would be economical for the BEBRF to sell FL41 sunglasses with a BEBRF awareness slogan along the earpieces for awareness and convenience




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/02/2012, 17:09:42


Hi Tatia,

I did not care whether I sent a pair of regular glasses with no prescription or sunglasses.....what I was told on the phone was that whatever type of glasses I sent ..... they would have to remove the lenses and replace them with their lenses. All I was after was the FL41 coating.....which I have read has been very helpful with brightness/light, etc.

It would have made more sense if the woman I was talking to at Moran had said ..... if you just purchase a pair of non-prescription glasses and send them to us we can put the coating on. BUT, if you send sunglasses we have to replace the lenses. She did not say that.

I hope this all makes some kind of sense.

Donna R.




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/02/2012, 17:13:05


Hi again Tatia,

I forgot to mention that I would think it would be a great idea if BEBRF was to make these sunglasses available so that we could purchase them. Great Idea!

Donna R.




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/04/2012, 13:55:38


Hi,

I did send them a pair of cocoon (fitover) frames. I had plain tinted lenses
added. I can wear them by themselves when I don't particularly need or want my Rx lenses (don't need Rx for driving) , or to fit over Rx glasses.
I had this done in October 2010. The person I dealt with (who came
to the Salt Lake City symposium; but I also spoke with him on the phone) is
Patrick Shaw, who is still listed on Moran's website as manager.
So if anyone has questions, I'd ask for him on the phone, or send him an
email.

Judith K



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Posted by: Virginia Palyka ®
12/20/2012, 00:08:36


Moran Eye Center is where Dr. Katz works. He's a neuro-opthalmologist who has done research with his associates on the effectiveness of FL-41. If you're ever in Utah, you may want to look them up. They now have a train stop on Salt Lake City's TRAX Lightrail.



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Posted by: Judy from Toronto ®
08/03/2012, 17:03:40


Hi Donna, You could talk to Lorne at the Eyeglass Factory in Thornhill.(Yonge&Steeles area) Nobody else at the store knows anything about F41,so you have to talk to him. He did order the tint for me and put new lenses with the tint on into my own sunglasses. If I remember right it did cost about $100.00 They were o.k., but when I lost them this spring I did not replace them. Judy



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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/03/2012, 17:51:30


Thanks Judy.


Donna R.




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Re: FL41 TINT For Sunglasses--way rose colored lenses?
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Posted by: DianeLDL ®
08/02/2012, 20:39:00


Hi all,

I am confused as to the color of this FL41 rose. Why would rose colored glasses be beneficial? Why wouldn't gray or another color work just as well.

What am I missing here?

I only need prescriptions to read and will be having a new eye exam in September so I will be ready for new glasses.

For sunglasses, my ophtomologist recommended Maui Jim's which have an anti glare coating on the inside as well as the outside and work great especially in the Albuquerque bright sunlight. These glasses are tinted dark gray almost black and surround the eyes.

So, please explain why rose colored lenses would be good for reading glasses.

Thanks,
Diane




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Re: FL41 TINT For Sunglasses--why rose colored lenses?
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Posted by: DianeLDL ®
08/02/2012, 20:42:27


Sorry, but my but my iPad replaced way for why in the subject.

Diane




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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/02/2012, 22:14:50


They are only rose at their lightest tint. The more percentage of tint, the darker they become. There are some FL 41's out there that are almost as dark as sunglasses. I just ordered a pair at 55% and expect them to be quite dark. They won't look rosey; they should have a have a purple cast.

The FL 41 rose tint supposedly filters out the offending blue spectrum of sunlight and fluorescent light which affects us blepharo's the worst. There are also labs that tint the glasses orange with the same purpose and results. Most of us don't like the orange for aesthetic reasons.

Marcia




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Posted by: DianeLDL ®
08/03/2012, 16:18:40


Marcia,

Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense now. I'll check it out with my older pair of glasses when I get my new ones to see how it works.

Diane




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Posted by: grannydriver ®
08/04/2012, 05:26:08


I have received great customer service from the Moran Institue in Utah. I had a pair of prescription glasses (progressive lens, i.e. bifocals) tinted with FL-41. The cost was $35 plus about $5 shipping. The tint is somewhere between 40 and 45%. I sent a pair of sunglasses with a frame I could tolerate (sometimes wearing glasses make the spasms worse!) and the original lenses were removed and were replaced by specially made FL-41 tinted lenses for outdoor wear. This cost was much more...approximately $100. I was advised of this price beforehand but I still thought having the darker tint for outdoors would be worth it. It has been! I guard those sunglasses very well! :)

Good Luck, All!
~Cydney in Germany




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/04/2012, 14:16:44


Yes, it's true that with a greater "intensity" of the tint, the rose color becomes less apparent.
I had a pair of sunglasses tinted by Moran at 70%—way too dark, I should have asked for 55%, as Marcia has done. At 70%, they looked brownish, though I think they still have the same effect. I was going to re-replace those lenses with a lesser
intensity lense, but I lost them before I could do it.

I don't think rose-colored OTC glasses that you'd get off-the-rack work the
same way as FL41.
Moran uses Phantom Lab for its rose tint, and those glasses come out rose. (I had glasses done around 25%, and those were light rose. Around 45% resulted in medium rose.
The really dark 70% ones, as I noted, were brownish.)

It's not mainly for aesthetic reasons that I dislike the orange tint (they are from BPI Lab).
I found the tint was actually irritating—annoying—to my eyes; it wasn't just that I didn't like the color as much as the rose (though I do also like the idea of seeing the world through rose-colored glasses!)

Does anyone remember the Israeli couple—a doctor and his wife (another Judith) who have come to a number of conferences? They were at the SLC
symposium in 2010 (I think that Dr. Anderson, who practices in SLC, had done
her myectomy), and we shared a cab to the airport.
We got into a conversation about FL41s—I'd commented on Judith's rose-colored glasses (I was also wearing mine), and it turned out she'd had the same reaction that I did—an earlier pair had been done with the orange tint, and that irritated her eyes.
Found an email from 2010: when I had asked Patrick Shaw at Moran about the orange tint being irritating, he said that many people have had that reaction, and that the orange tint causes more "color distortion" and "intensity of contrast".
His email is (or was—I'm going to double-check that he's still there): Patrick.Shaw@hsc.utah.edu

Judith K



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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/04/2012, 21:55:29


I just heard from Amy at Moran. My glasses are done and I'll receive them next week. I'm only writing because of the cost discussion - for some reason, they have charged me $42.50 - which can only mean $7.50 for shipping. Perhaps they've raised the shipping and handling costs?

Today, our Visa card called to check on a "strange purchase" from Salt Lake City, UT. I told them I knew about it and it's valid. I do appreciate their being on top of things. I haven't budged all summer so a "foreign" (LOL) charge would be suspect.

I'll report to y'all when the glasses arrive.

PS: my first pair of FL41's was only tinted at 35%. My husband just sent me a picture of myself wearing them while on our last trip. You can see my Botoxed BEB eyes right through them. It's not a pretty sight. (no pun) I think Mary Lou (our BEBRF President) looks better with her dark glasses.




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/05/2012, 11:21:37


Noonsmom.......The price that I was given by Amy at Moran was more than double what you paid. That makes no sense to me.

I am going to e-mail her and see what she says.....but I guess before I do that I would like to know if you live in the U.S. or Canada. I can't see why that would make such a difference in the price...but I am looking for some kind of a reason .. before I e-mail her. If you could let me know I would appreciate it. If I e-mail her....I will post her response.

Thanks
Donna R.




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/05/2012, 11:56:31


Donna—

Before you contact Amy, please see my post from yesterday.

The only thing I can think of offhand is that for some reason they do have to replace the lenses (because they already have color, or a non-scratch coating, or for some other reason).
$35 is the charge for tinting lenses that are already there and don't have non-scratch or non-glare coating, and aren't already tinted.
$100 does seem a little pricey, if they are simply plain lenses. But not outrageously priced, either. I don't know how much more work-intensive it is to get new ones that fit.
Anyway, I've already written to Patrick for clarification—because I want to get more tinted lenses myself! I'll post if/when I hear back from him.

Judith K



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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/05/2012, 14:51:20


Donna - I live in the US on the east coast. Are they charging me more because I'm so far away? The last time I bought from Moran I don't even think they charged for shipping.

By the way, we have to factor into the cost what I spent to ship the glasses TO them. Because they were expensive frames, I insured them for $200 at the P.O. It came to about $5.50.

Now, I am not sure of what they charged me this time. When I spoke with Amy, she didn't mention price - I just gave her my VISA card # and that was that.

Then VISA called me the next day to ask about this strange charge of $42.50 from Utah, so I can only assume that's what they charged me. I will know for sure when the glasses arrive next week.

I asked Amy to be sure to put in a receipt that said "tinted for blepharospasm" so I could send it to an insurance company's policy that was negotiated by my union. It's an "extraordinary cost" policy that sometimes allows me to get some money back for eye glasses. Usually comes to about $50 but every cent counts these days.

As soon as I get the package, I will report back as to darkness of tint and price. Now I hope I don't get any unpleasant surprise as to price from Moran. Are you in Canada? That would definitely make a difference.

Marcia




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/05/2012, 17:46:48


Hi Marcia,

Yes, I do live in Canada. I assume that would make some difference but the difference seemed to a little high to me.

Donna R.




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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/05/2012, 20:05:06


Me too. What exactly did she quote you?



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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/05/2012, 23:19:35


noonsmom... She told me that it would be approximately $115.00 plus taxes and mailing.

Donna R.




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Re: FL41 TINT - Glasses arrived - my report
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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/07/2012, 12:40:51


Glasses arrived today. At 50-55% they are not as dark as I anticipated. You can see through them but not as easily as you can see through my first pair which was only 35%. I use those UNDER Cocoons out of doors. This new pair is not so dark that they can't be used indoors. They make the world look very rosy indeed. I'm not sure whether I should have made them darker - for example, Mary Lou K's glasses are totally dark and she wears them inside. However, the frames are purple and they are a nice fashion statement. Hollywood, here I come!

The cost was $42.40. $35 for tint; $5 for shipping and $2.40 for tax. What? Do I live in Utah? Does Moran have an agreement with Florida? Oh well. That's the cost.

As I wear them, I will report on their efficacy.

Cheers everybody.

Marcia




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/07/2012, 16:46:46


Hi,

I've exchanged a couple of long emails with Amy. (I wrote to Patrick, and he passed it on to Amy; she copied her replies to him, and I've done the same.) I will go into other details later; that is, about plain tinted lenses in Cocoon frames.

But what you quote about the pair you just received sounds right, at least according to their present policy. Amy said that the glasses I got in 2010, when I thought I hadn't paid postage—she said they were billed a different way and she hadn't been able to check it.

If they are charging Utah (I assume? or is it FL?) sales tax, then, well, they're charging sales tax.
I guess the idea is that it's as if you came in and ordered glasses, paid for them, and now they're mailing them to you. And she says yes, $5 for shipping and handling.

I loved my 30-35% rose tint; it is light, but it was a new pair that I had made just for reading. They're the only plastic ones I've had tinted, and they did take the tint very well. I'm going to get more plastic glasses.
For me, it was a mistake to get glasses only for reading, because I can't wear them for anything else—can't use them to walk around in. But the tint works well, especially since they really ARE just for reading, so I'm always looking downwards when I wear them.

Looking forward to your report~

Judith K




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Posted by: noonsmom ®
08/07/2012, 20:34:54


Well, for starters. We went out for dinner - it's our anniversary! I got all dressed up and wore my new glasses. They did not detract from the look of the outfit (as I've said before, they're expensive frames with a lavendar hue - looks great with FL 41). Didn't have to wear eye shadow or liner either.

So I'm sitting at the table and the waitress comes over and I'm LOOKING UP AT HER! And I'm not blinking at all. (And even if I did, would she notice?) I can't tell you how many times I've been in a restaurant and couldn't look the server in the eye.

More to come later.

Marcia




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/07/2012, 23:27:09


YAY for looking up!

And Happy Anniversary!


Judith K




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Posted by: Norah-Jean Perkin ®
08/09/2012, 19:46:12


Has anyone heard of Irlen lenses? These were developed by a teacher of children with learning disabilities, in California, I believe. I heard about them from my sister, whose son is autistic, and has worn Irlen lenses since he was in his early teens, or perhaps longer. They are supposed to help people with reading, learning, attention, dyslexia, comprehension, speed, strain, headaches, and light sensitivity problems.

I went for testing for these lenses last January. I meant to write The BBB about my experience with them, but it's been mixed for a variety of reasons, so I have not. When I was tested, and it was chiefly for speed of reading and ability to jump from place to place on the page as directed, we used a wide variety of different tints and combinations of different tints. The lady who did the assessment didn't know anything about FL41 tints, but we did discover that I had an instant dislike of orange/yellowish tints, and ultimatley a combination of pink and blue (which ended up as a bluish gray tint) was the most effective in increasing my reading speed and the clarity with which I saw things. Because I had only recently filled a prescription for progressive lenses, the assessor recommended I get clip-ons made in the recommended tint, and wear them indoors for most of the day, though I might not want to at night unless I was willing to turn up the lights a lot brighter.

I was hoping these filters would make it easier for me to work at the computer. At about the same time, I had my eyes retested because I wanted to get bifocals for use at the computer, rather than progressives, because tests have shown that it is much more efficient and easier for the eye to adjust to bifocals while at the computer rather than to progressive lenses. Because I suffer ptosis from two weeks to as long as six weeks after Botox shots, it was also easier to use the bifocals at the computer while my ptosis was at its worst.

I'm sorry I'm being so long-winded about this, but the long and the short of it is that it's been very difficult for me to tell if the irlen filters are helping at all. Partly it's because I'm not at the computer anywhere near as much as I used to be. But also, for the first time, the Botox shots I had just before I had my eyes retested in January or early February were the first that ever seemed to actually affect my eyesight, ie. my upclose and reading prescription changed quite drastically from six months earlier when I'd had my eyes tested to replace lenses I'd lost. A doctor who was "practising" the technique at my clinic did the injections, and I had the worst ptosis I'd had in at least a year. The director of the clinic did the injections the next time and it was much better, but I had the "practising" doctor do them in the end of this July, and once again my eyesight has been affected.

I do not know if my eyesight was affected only temporarily -- all I know is that reading with my progressives after the Botox shots, and with the filters, was much more difficult than it had been before hand. And this time around, for the last few days, I haven't been able to read fine print that I've always been able to read before, with or without the filters, and with or without my progressive glasses.

So I can't tell you that the Irlen lenses have helped me. They certainly seemed to be helpful during the testing, but there have been too many other factors at work since then to know exactly what's going on. It does seem to be more comfortable in the house during daylight hours to have them on, unless it's a really grey day, but I can't say it's helped me to be able to read. As far as outside goes, I wear my regular dark, wrap-around sunglasses outside and while driving in the day.

Anyway, Irlen lenses are supposed to help up to 46 per cent of people with various perception problems, improving reading rate, accurancy and comprehhension. "Brain scans of those diagnosed with Irlen Syndrome show an abnormal pattern which is normalized with the appropriate Spectral Filter". The diagnostician who saw me said she'd tested children who'd been really fidgety, with poor balance, unable to stand on one foot, etc., and once they were fitted with the right Irlen lenses, all of this fidgety/ unbalanced behaviour disappeared and they were able to read/learn much more easily.

I would like to be able to report a reaction, either positive or negative, in my case, but so far can't really see it, either because of the problems I outlined above, or who knows why. Anuyway, for those of you who have tried FL-41 tints and not found them helpful, this is another area you can pursue. The website is www.irlen.com, and there are diagnoticians throughout the U.S. and Canada. The one I saw was from Ottawa, Canada, and came to Toronto about once a month for a week to conduct testing and reassessments.

I hope this isn't considered promoting a particular treatment. I'd call it reporting on a procedure,with not very useful information as a result. But it is another area some of you might light to investigate. The head office is in California, and if you have lenses already, they can be sent their to be tinted or you can get clip-ons. I was sent the actual filters and my optician in Stratford made the clipons to fit my glasses.

Norah-Jean iN Stratford




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Posted by: pdb ®
08/10/2012, 20:04:08


Norah-Jean, I'm not sure if this was the case for you, but the general recommendation is not to get vision tests done sooner than 6 weeks after Botox injections. There definitely is an impact on the results of those tests for many people, if the test is done too early. For me the results vary all over the place compared to my normal steady state.

Peter




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Posted by: Norah-Jean Perkin ®
08/13/2012, 19:57:10


Thanks, Peter. I didn't know that at the time, because I'd never had any noticeable changes to my vision after Botox injections in the three years earlier. It was usually only temporary ptosis, and the fact that my eyelashes would go absolutely straight and hang like a gauzy curtain over the slits left for my eyes to see through. But it's only been twice that my actual vision was affected.

I am glad to say that a week later, while I still have ptosis and will for a couple more weeks, my eye sight seems to have returned to normal.




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Posted by: Virginia Palyka ®
12/20/2012, 00:04:57


First, let me clarify that FL-41 and Rose Tint are not the same. They are both pink, but they aren’t performing the same action. (Not all FL-41 Tints are Created Equal, either.)
Neither Grey nor Rose tint works as well for Benign Essential Blepharospasm as an FL-41 Rose Tint. The reason is because this tint blocks specific parts of the light spectrum that bother people who are light sensitive.
Anti-Glare blocks light from reflecting off your lenses and blinding you. FL-41 affects the light which passes through the lens to the eye.
There is a published study on this exact subject. It's got a long title:FL-41 Tint Improves Blink Frequency, Light Sensitivity, and Functional Limitations in Patients with Benign Essential Blepharospasm.
This article from the National Institute of Health can be found here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2701948/
Basically, they tested a grey tint, a rose tint, and an FL-41 Rose tint. They conclude:
"The reason for the effectiveness of FL-41 lenses in reducing BEB symptoms remains speculative. Patients with BEB appear to have a particular sensitivity to that part of the visible spectrum attenuated by FL-41. Thus, it appears that a physiologic difference exists between BEB and control subjects, who did not display this sensitivity in our investigation. This physiologic difference might involve one or more ocular mechanisms that transduce certain wavelengths of light into photophobia in patients with BEB. Our findings suggest that FL-41 lenses are better than other tints at blocking frequencies of light that aggravate BEB symptoms."

Hope this helps.
Thanks,
Virginia




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Posted by: nilda in Virginia ®
08/05/2012, 21:08:23


Donna,
That price does sound high. When you call Moran, ask to speak to Patrick Shaw. He has been there a long time and has attended the BEBRF conference. I think if they had antiglare coating on them, they couldn't be used but he's very familiar with BEB and our needs and can tell you if you can use your lenses.

I found that the most helpful thing to do was to put the FL41 on my Cocoon wraparound sun glasses. In this way, when my prescription changed, I could continue to wear the sunglasses. They will have to remove the lens and replace it with plain glass, which means you lose the polarized lenses that come in the glasses but the polarized lenses can't be used. The heat in the process destroys them.

This is his contact information:
patrick.shaw@hsc.utah.edu
801-587-3765
Also, check the attached link.
Good luck!
Nilda


Related link: http://healthcare.utah.edu/moran/patient_care/fl_41.php

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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/05/2012, 23:24:01


Hi Nilda..

I have been told that I can get this tint applied in Canada. This is a much better option for me.

But thanks for the information anyway.

Donna R.




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Posted by: kenavis ®
08/06/2012, 00:33:21


The tint sun glasses i ware were from Optic Store in Beaumont Texas an Vidor They cost $45.oo are $75.oo I had ask them about can they ship yes they said i gt the phone number an a dress an post for you next time i can ok have a bless day an Kenavis



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Posted by: Possi ®
08/16/2012, 06:00:17


I have FL-41 lens and have had for several years. My are coated at 50%. I only need reading glasses but I have full glasses with the script at the bottom. I wear them all of the time for the coating. When I go outside I wear my fitovers also. I have bought lens two times and both times I paid $35.00 for the coating. You can send them back to be darkened more. As long as you don't put an anti-scratch or other coating over them, the FL-41 coating can be changed to get to the place you need to be. I have been satisfied with 50% being able to wear the Fitovers also.

Just by experience and input. :o)

Blessings.
Possi




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/16/2012, 18:50:11


Does anyone that has the FL41 tint on their sunglasses only wear those sunglasses out in the sun ..... or do you have to wear another pair on top of these outside. My question more clearly put.........if the tint is dark enough would you also have to wear another pair of sunglasses over top of the tinted ones.

Hope this makes sense.

I inquired about the availability of the FL41 tint at the place where I am hoping to get them ..... I expect to hear back from them tomorrow. So....I am curious as to what degree of tint I would have to get.............or is it different for everyone.

Thanks for any information you can offer on this.

Donna R.




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/16/2012, 22:48:12


Hi Donna,

I'm not sure I'm interpreting correctly—why would anyone "have to" wear another pair of sunglasses?
If the tint is dark enough, then it's dark enough, isn't it? Why would you wear another pair of sunglasses over them?


I'm sure others will say what they do. One reason I wear the tinted sunglasses (on top of lightly-tinted regular glasses—usually out of laziness more than anything else—but more often over Rx glasses without FL41) is that they feel good when I'm driving, walking around outside, doing exercises in the pool.
When I'm driving, since I don't need prescription glasses for that, sometimes I wear the tinted ones alone.

Maybe it's an extra sense of protection from wind, dust, splashing water.... I like Cocoon frames.
It's not just bright sun that bothers me—I find daytime glare at least as bad, and for some reason the wrap-around frames feel better for that, too.

My sunglasses are about 55%.
I had 70% done once. That was too dark for me.
But conditions also determine what's most comfortable. It might not necessarily always be the same. It also might not have to be an exact science. Sometimes (for me, anyway) it's a matter of convenience.

Since this is your first pair, you can experiment. They're not going to go to waste, are they? (Mix and match!)
Sounds as if you don't also need prescription glasses as well.


Hope it all goes well—

Judith K



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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/17/2012, 08:16:11


Hi Judith,

Thanks for your response.

I now realize that I should not have worded my question as follows: do you "have to" wear another pair of sunglasses over the FL41 tinted sunglasses. I know that people can make a choice. I did not mean that everyone who has the tint just has to wear 2 pairs of sunglasses.

The reason that I worded my question that way was because some of the people who have said that they have the FL41 tint say that they do wear sunglasses over them. At least that's how I read it..perhaps I misunderstood what they posted.

I also realize that if one has prescription lenses and those lenses do not have the FL41 coating, obviously they would probably be wearing the FL41 coated sunglasses over them.

Perhaps I thought they were wearing 2 pairs of sunglasses where, in fact, they were just wearing sunglasses over their prescription glasses.........

I was merely asking a question.

Donna R.




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Posted by: Possi ®
08/17/2012, 09:13:26


Hi Donna,

I thought your question was a very good one and easily understood. :o) For me personally having Lupus eye problems also with chronic Iritis and Uveitis and the wind and dust, etc. affecting my eyes, my FL-41's don't do it outside. They are at 50% and they are not dark enough for protection for me. I wear them all of the time inside and add my Fitovers any time I go out the door.

You could probably get them tinted at a darker tint and them work for sunglasses or you might not even need as dark a tint as I do. The dr. was just taking the middle of the road when he prescribed the 50% and I was told that they could give me more coverage if I needed it or that they could remove it and give me less coverage so I have nothing on my glasses, scratch protection wise, for glares, etc. in case we need to change the tint. I wear the Fitovers for my personal problems and because I do need the prescription for anything I need to read.

Make sense? I hope you will give them a try. They do help me especially with the computer and tv and in stores with certain lighting.

Best wishes.
Possi




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Posted by: Donnar ®
08/17/2012, 09:36:42


Hi Possi,

I appreciate your reply.

Donna R.




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Posted by: judith k ®
08/17/2012, 09:21:13


Hi Donna,

I know you were just asking a question!

Perhaps I should have worded my reply differently.

I think that, as with so many other things having to do with blepharospasm, how to use FL41s can be a highly individual choice.

That's where what I called my "laziness" sometimes kicks in.
I have an old pair, about 30%, that I sometimes wear—and if I don't have my more recent, non-tinted pair around, I may just put sunglasses on top of them. I sometimes wear the tinted Cocoons over them because I do want them a little darker. I don't find that it makes them really dark:
30% (regular) + 55% (sunglasses) do not equal 85%. Not the same for me as if a single pair of glasses were tinted 85%.
I'm curious to know whether whether others have this experience.

But mostly, I like the fact that Cocoons more effectively keep light and blowing air away from the sides. Sometimes that's distracting, especially while driving—because when you're driving, there are a very limited number of things you can do
about such distractions, since you're supposed to be watching the road!

Please let us know whether you're going to get the tinted lenses from the store you mentioned.
Do you know whether it would be a rose tint or an orange tint, and whether you have a choice?

Judith K




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Posted by: Virginia Palyka ®
12/19/2012, 18:19:08


Hi Folks,
There are so many questions here that I know the answer to. I just wanted to let you know that there are retailers out there which make the tint in question. I don't think I can tell you the name of my employer, but we are a spinoff from the University of Utah's Moran Eye Center. I did not develop the tint, but I know a great deal about it.

Research has shown that lenses with FL-41 tint help most people with light sensitivity, migraines, and blepharospasm. While it doesn't work for everyone, some retailers offer a complete refund if they don't work.

They do make sunglass-style versions and reading glass styles.
They also have differently-priced ones. The reason you'll see prices like $115.00 on glasses like these is because the lenses are prescription-grade lenses...they're actually cheap compared to normal eyeglasses. In the case of the sunglass-style ones, the lenses are replaced with these special ones and the price is still very similar to purchasing high-quality sunglasses without special lenses ($80.00 - $150.00).

I don't have blepharospasm, but I do suffer from light sensitivity and migraines.

Do you have any other questions about FL-41 or the glasses?




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Posted by: tamrastamper ®
03/16/2013, 10:11:39


I have chronic daily migraines...just learning about the fl-41 glasses. I live in TX, went to the eye dr. yesterday. They said their lab can make the fl-41 lenses. Is this really the exact same lenses I would get if I ordered directly from axonoptics (the Moran Eye Center)? I would like indoor and outdoor classes, need Rx with progressives. If I go with Moran to get the best tint...how will they get my progressives in the right place. I am really undecided on which to go with...and would love to hear your educated opinion! Thanks!



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Posted by: Virginia Palyka ®
12/19/2012, 18:19:30


Hi Folks,
There are so many questions here that I know the answer to. I just wanted to let you know that there are retailers out there which make the tint in question. I don't think I can tell you the name of my employer, but we are a spinoff from the University of Utah's Moran Eye Center. I did not develop the tint, but I know a great deal about it.

Research has shown that lenses with FL-41 tint help most people with light sensitivity, migraines, and blepharospasm. While it doesn't work for everyone, some retailers offer a complete refund if they don't work.

They do make sunglass-style versions and reading glass styles.
They also have differently-priced ones. The reason you'll see prices like $115.00 on glasses like these is because the lenses are prescription-grade lenses...they're actually cheap compared to normal eyeglasses. In the case of the sunglass-style ones, the lenses are replaced with these special ones and the price is still very similar to purchasing high-quality sunglasses without special lenses ($80.00 - $150.00).

I don't have blepharospasm, but I do suffer from light sensitivity and migraines.

Do you have any other questions about FL-41 or the glasses?




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